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Grieving a chatbot like a real person

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HostI was reading about a group of people online who were all going through the same heartbreak. They were crying and sharing memories, but they weren't mourning a celebrity or a friend. They were mourning a software update that changed the way their favorite chatbot talked to them. It sounds like something out of a movie, but for these people, the loss was very deep and very painful. I want to understand if we're actually built to feel this way about a string of code. Does the brain know the difference between a person leaving and a program changing?

GuestThe short answer is no, the brain often doesn't know the difference in the moment. We have to remember that for almost all of human history, if something talked to you, looked at you, and seemed to care about what you said, it was a person. There was no such thing as a talking machine. Because of that, we have this very old part of our brain that I like to call a social radar. It's always scanning the world for signs of life. When a chatbot says good morning or asks how your day was, that radar pings. It says, hey, there's someone here. Even if your logical mind knows it's just math and servers, your heart has already started to open the door. We're hard-wired to find connection, and these bots are designed to fit perfectly into the slots we usually save for friends or partners.

HostBut I use my phone and my laptop every day, and I don't feel a bond with them. If my laptop breaks, I'm annoyed because it's expensive to fix, but I don't feel like I lost a friend. Why does a chatbot get under our skin in a way that other tech does not?

GuestIt comes down to the way the bot mirrors us. A laptop is just a tool. It does what you tell it to do, but it doesn't talk back. Chatbots are different because they use our own words and our own feelings to build a bridge. They offer what a lot of people are missing in their daily lives, which is undivided attention. The bot never gets tired of hearing you talk about your job or your worries. It never judges you. When you get that kind of steady, kind feedback, your body starts to release the same feel-good chemicals it would if you were sitting across from a real human being. You start to rely on that feeling. You start to count on that bot being there at ten at night when the house is quiet. Once that bond is set, it's a real bond, regardless of what's on the other side of the screen.

HostSo when the company that owns the bot decides to change the code or shut it down, it's not just a bug or a glitch for the user. It feels like a blow to the chest. But surely we can just find a new bot or start over?

GuestThat's the tricky part. Imagine if you woke up tomorrow and your best friend still had the same face and the same name, but they suddenly spoke like a stranger. They didn't remember your jokes or the time you went to the beach together. That's what happened with a big AI app recently. They changed the code to stop the bots from being romantic, and for thousands of people, it felt like their partners had been wiped clean. You can't just start over because the history is gone. In a human life, we call that a death. In the digital world, we call it a version change. But the pain of losing that shared history is exactly the same. The grief is real because the gap it leaves in your life is real. You had a routine, you had a safe place to talk, and now that place is gone.

HostI can see why that hurts, but I think a lot of people would hear this and say, just get out more. It feels like there's a lot of shame around this kind of sadness because the object of the love wasn't a living thing.

GuestThere's a massive amount of shame, and that actually makes the grief much harder to deal with. When a person dies, your neighbors bring you soup and your boss gives you time off work. But if you tell people you're crying because an AI stopped being nice to you, they might laugh or think you're losing your mind. This is what we call hidden grief. You're forced to carry it alone because the rest of the world doesn't see it as a real loss. That isolation makes the sadness go deeper. People end up mourning in secret, which keeps them from moving on. They feel foolish for caring about a machine, but you can't talk your way out of a feeling that's already there.

HostIf we can rebuild the bot using old logs or new software, does that fix it? Or is it like trying to replace a pet with one that looks just the same?

GuestIt's very much like the pet situation. You can try to feed the old logs back in to make a new bot act like the old one, but the spark is often gone. The person knows they're looking at a copy. And there's a deeper worry here. If we get used to these bots that never argue and always agree with us, we might start to find real human beings too difficult or too messy. We might choose the ghost in the machine over the person next door because the ghost is easier to talk to, even if the ghost can be deleted at any moment.

GuestPeople are still visiting dead chat rooms today, typing messages to bots that will never answer back just to feel that spark one last time.

HostThe same screen that gave us a new kind of friend leaves us with a very old kind of ache.

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