Open in app
Cover art for How pork barrel spending helps pass tough laws

How pork barrel spending helps pass tough laws

Politics · 5 min listen

Get the app on mobile
Download on the App Store Get it on Google Play
Cover art for How pork barrel spending helps pass tough laws
0:00
0:00
Transcript

HostWe often see these massive spending bills in the news, and buried deep inside are these strange little costs for things like a local park or a small town museum. It feels like a waste, but people often say it's the only way to get the big stuff done. Why does this kind of spending actually help pass the tough laws?

GuestWell, think of a big law like a heavy machine that hasn't been oiled in years. It's rusty, and it's very hard to move. Pork barrel spending, or what lawmakers often call earmarks, is the oil. It's when a leader tucks money for a very specific project back in someone's home town into a much larger bill. It might be a new research center or even just a few miles of paved road. For a local lawmaker, that project is a big win they can show their voters. So, even if they're not totally sold on the rest of the giant bill, they have a reason to say yes. It gives them something good to take home while the rest of the country gets the big law passed. It turns a no into a yes by making the deal feel personal.

HostBut that sounds like a polite way of describing a bribe. If I have to buy your vote with a new post office, does that not just mean the bill itself is a bad idea?

GuestIt's easy to see it that way, but the reality of making laws is messy. Most big laws are full of things people disagree on. Without these little sweeteners, a lawmaker might look at a big bill and see only the risks. They might think their voters will be mad about a tax change or a new rule. But if they can point to a new bridge and say, look, I got us the money to fix that old bottleneck, it gives them a shield. It covers their back. It's not so much about buying a vote as it's about giving someone a reason to take a risk on a hard choice. In the old days, this was just how things worked. You give a little to get a lot.

HostSo it's about the trade. But why can they not just talk it out and find a middle ground on the actual law? Why does it have to be about a bridge or a dam that has nothing to do with the main bill?

GuestBecause sometimes the big stuff is just too hard to split down the middle. If you're arguing over something like a huge health care law or a massive change to the woods and plains, there might not be a middle ground that makes everyone happy. In those cases, the conversation gets stuck. When you bring in a side project, you're adding a new kind of value to the deal. It's called logrolling. I help you roll your log, and you help me roll mine. It lets two people who disagree on the big picture still find a way to work together. It shifts the focus from winning an argument to getting things done for the folks back home.

HostI guess that makes sense in a practical way. But we did try to stop this, right? I remember hearing that these kinds of deals were banned because they were seen as corrupt.

GuestYou're right. In twenty eleven, the house put a ban on these pet projects. They wanted to clean up the way money was spent and stop the secret deals. On paper, it sounded great. It was supposed to save money and make everything more open. But what actually happened was that the gears of government just ground to a halt. When you took away the earmarks, you took away the main tool that leaders used to get people to play ball. Suddenly, there was no reason for a lawmaker to ever cross the aisle or take a hard vote. They had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

HostSo the ban actually made the fighting worse? That seems the opposite of what you would expect.

GuestIt really did. Without those small projects to hand out, party leaders lost their carrot. All they had left was the stick. They could punish people for not following the party line, but they couldn't reward them for being brave. This made everyone retreat into their own corners. The big, tough laws just stopped passing because there was no way to bridge the gap between the two sides. The system became more about stopping the other guy than about building anything. It turned out that the waste everyone hated was actually the very thing that made the whole system move forward.

HostIt's a strange trade-off. You pay for a bridge you might not need just so you can get a law that the whole country does need. Is there a better way to do this now, or are we just back to the old ways?

GuestWe're seeing a bit of a return to it, but with more eyes on the money. They call them community project funds now. The idea is to let lawmakers ask for things their towns need, but they have to put their names on the request and show why it matters. It's an attempt to keep the oil in the machine without letting the whole thing get too dirty. The hope is that if the deals are out in the open, we can have the grease without the grime.

HostThe latest move has been to bring back these projects with much tighter rules in the hope that we can get the wheels turning again without the old secret deals.

GuestThe bridge in that small town might just be what it takes to get the whole country moving again.

Made with Wander

A world of curiosity you can listen to. Explore endless questions, or ask your own.

Get the app